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exnord

Your Organic Industry Structure link doesn't work.

The Organic Industry Structure link you have does not link to a larger image of same. Can you fix this?

George

Try the "wonderful graphic" link, he states that it is not working from his server.

Perhaps you've already seen this wonderful graphic outlining how the Organic® food industry is organized (visit the linked website to see the larger version doesn't appear to be saving properly with my server):

Mark

My Grandmother told me when she was a young woman; every one had a garden, even rich and some city folk. It was just the way it was done before food was shipped all a crossed the world to the kitchen.

It would seem that the question that always comes up but is never said or not quite addressed is human population density and the earth's real carrying capacity.

Off question, but on theme, been reading, “ Nature’s Operating Instructions, The true Biotechnologies”, I like the part about Mushrooms.

different clue

Vast amounts of food could still be grown
by vast numbers of farmers and gardeners.
50 million suburbanites could put in gardens
if they wanted to. Many of them don't want
to. Very well. When the stores go empty,
let them starve.
When sectors of the Organic Movement ran
to Congress asking for a law to harmonize
Organic Farming Regulation across all the
states under one Grand Federal Law, some few
people tried warning them that asking the
Federal Government to regulate Organic Agriculture was like asking Adolf Hitler to
conduct a Jewish wedding. What did they think was going to happen?

A way around the planned corruption of
Organic standards by way of Federal subversion would be for the ethical farmer
to disclose totally and fully every last
tool, product, and process involved in his
farm operation. And if he can find an inspector to see if he has really truly fully disclosed, he could get that inspector
to certify that he has fully disclosed every
last little thing involved in his farming
operation. In which case, he could call himself Certified Full Disclosure. Educated
literate customers could read every Certified
Full Disclosure farmer's disclosure sheets
and decide which farmer is using the materials and methods that the educated literate customer is satisfied with.

auntiegrav

>>Vast amounts of food could still be grown
by vast numbers of farmers and gardeners.
50 million suburbanites could put in gardens
if they wanted to. Many of them don't want
to. Very well. When the stores go empty,
let them starve.>>>>>
Even if they could get the seeds, the smallholder training, and the physical conditioning necessary, millions will still starve who live in apartment buildings when the economic system collapses.
>>>>In which case, he could call himself Certified Full Disclosure.>>>>>>
How about we make the government do this with everything they do instead. Time to break down THEIR fences and find out what is going on behind the lies. Farmers already have it; it's called "Nosy Neighbors". I go to the local dump ('recycling station') not to get rid of trash, but to find out what Hank says I'm doing this week. I have a constant stream of aircraft over my farm, yet I couldn't fly over a government installation and see what they are up to. Organic certification is just a symptom that people want 'someone else' to do their thinking for them. Until you have a thinking public, you can't build any system that will make a bigger Spectacle than the current System of Systems. If you can't make a bigger Spectacle, you need intelligent customers, and that isn't part of the System's plan, as is demonstrated by the schools and their Pavlovian bells and factory model.

mark

As a former organic farmer, I found it to be just another way to identify and segregate a system that wasn't in the agenda of the PTB. It is one really good way to point a finger of miss compliance, say like, " His pest control measures are inadequate, just look at all those bugs and weeds". (When really 80% are of the beneficial kind). BTW this didn't happen to me, but I know of one farmer that it did. I did much better at farmers market as conventional, with my customer base knowing that I was organic, (the produce looks better, tastes better, and makes you feel better), than when I got certified and tried to go bigger. It costs too much being in the system.
A way to look at this food issue is, IMHO, The PTB will use it as a weapon, and the only way to use this tool of food if you can grow it is to share in the only power base one has and that is the community that one lives in. In as much, Gorilla farming is allowed, on roadsides, under over passes, in parks, etc. I am pretty sure that there have been other cultures that have grown there own food, by hand, in some really odd places that have produced enough for the community or tribes or clans, or gangs, or troops, or what ever one wants to call people whom are willing to band together for a common cause, like eating, it's pretty strong. And the only way to do so is organically, cause the oil and gas to make the crap that is killing us all will be gone or really expensive. As organically as one can in a polluted world that is. Compost my boy, compost.

Jason DuMars

I just saw the movie Our Daily Bread, and it made a huge impression... I wouldn't even know how to describe it. My own conclusions:
Humans are despicable

I'm glad I only eat local

there's going to be an unfathomable die-off when PO really hits

we're all trapped in a systen as insideous as the factory farm

If this is playing in your city, you should make a point of seeing it. It's what deconsumption is all about.

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