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January 12, 2006

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Giorgio

Steven,

As usual, a very interesting, and thought provoking post. I think that you are "right on" on this one.

nulinegvgv

she certainly seems to back this site, albeit in an indirect way. steve what about a run down of ways to step outside of the game, stand outside of the empire... deconsume if you will in more practical terms.

Aaron

"It's certainly not that every person in an Imperial society embraces this threefold impulse to guide their actions by, in fact we can easily see from experience that that's not the case"

I have to disagree on this point. Virtually every parent in our culture uses manipulation and control on their children. There are other cultures that do not do this and their children are profoundly different to ours. Teh treatment of our children is probably the worst thing abuot us


As a friend of mine said recently; 'I thought I was a nice person until I had children'

technofreak

Nice Post dude ;)

I learnt this tactic when I was young - to remove cause for the manipulator to have any affect.

I did get drawn in to the empires' way there for a while until I came to the realisation that I was knee deep in no future. Since then (about 6years ago) I have been removing the manipulators devices so that I am no longer there as a target.

The first major thing I found that removes most of the manipulators strength is to avoid the media esp. TV. I havent watched TV for about 5 years and I dont own one. I dont read the paper-press and I dont listen to the radio anymore either (gave that up 2 years ago).

Funny thing is most of the tactics I use I learnt from the togakure....so glad I spent a lot of time with them when I was young :)

Peter

An old philosophy prof of mine said back in 1982, "If you watch a lot of TV, Madison Avenue has your mind colonized." I cancelled the cable after that class and never regretted it. My TV is only hooked up to the DVD player for watching two movies a week rented from Netflix. I can't help it, I'm a movie nut.

When I am in someone else's home and the TV is on, I find it highly irritating. How can anyone watch that annoying sqwaking box? The worst examples are the all news stations such as CNN where the same stories are repeated over and over, ad nauseam. It's like being brainwashed.

slomo

Absolutely. I own a TV only to watch DVD's. My partner (who lives in a separate house) has cable TV and the works, but has to suffer without it when visiting me here.

nulinegvgv

While we're sharing, my wife and I gave up cable 4 years ago and got rid of the actual TV last may. I was surprised at the palpable sense freedom I felt after about 6 months. I would go a visit a friend and the TV would be on and the commercials were like attacks. I would leave glad I didn't have to deal with that. We have an LCD projector we hook up to the CD/DVD player to watch movies on the wall.

Chris

I like the mellow tone and humor with which these basic ideas about manipulation are presented. It informs common sense, without informing paranoia. That to me seems a most powerful (or empowering) combination indeed.

Mansi

It does not include the charisteristics of a deceitful personality which might be a better way to label them on a superficial level as to know them right away and protect myself against them. If the manipulator's intention is to manipulate me without me noticing it, how could i possibly know? Are there any weaknesses in their personalities that could be tackled in a situation of self defense? by the way this is an excellent article!

Dave

This is a good article about manipulation. I am just wonderin about manipulative people, were they born that way or its something they pick up during the course of their life?

Michele Chaney

I have an ex who is a master manipulator. He plays one side off against by lying to both sides. This was so bad that people who don't even know each other are fighting. This has caused us a tremendous amount of grief, because alot of us have done things for this guy. Just as soon as I saw him again he was whining a complaining about the other party, after he stabbed me in the back. I just told him no. He and his crazy mother pull this so much on others that it's close to a hate crime. They seem to want to collect financially off others or get a free ride off others. I have completely closed off any communication with this liar. He doesn't seem to care who he hurts either. He just seems to follow the mothers dictates to get her what she wants in life and to get him what he wants in life. He lived with us for about 2 years. His mother would consistently tell other people we were doing something to him and we were brainwashing him. We were blown away when we found out he was involved in all this. This was really sad for my family. It left us heartbroken.

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